Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible?
Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible?
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Posted by jheinzel
on Mar 7, 2007 at 8:20 PM:
Review the documentation on Derivative Liability and Mens Rea. In section 5 of Night, Elie describes himself as the accuser and God as the accused. During our discussion, we debated whether there was a difference in allowing something to happen versus actually causing an event. For example, did God allow the Jewish people's suffering or did he intentionally create such conditions to set the torture in motion?
The questions for this post: who is responsible for what happened during the Holocaust? Who is at fault? Is it God, the German citizens, the Nazis, the SS, Hitler, the Allies, the persecuted themselves? Are there different levels of culpability? Why or why not? Who had "mens rea"? Which parties would you consider to have participated in unintentional, careless, knowing, malicious, willful, or felonious acts? Who would you label a principal, an accomplice, an accessory after the fact, or a conspirator? Explain your labels.
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Brooke 5/3/2007 8:43 PM
I think that mainly it was Hitler's fault, but all he did was start the whole thing the SS followed when they could have stood up or the jews could have stopped it while it was still possible. So I belive everyone played a role.
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Cat C. 4/9/2007 5:43 PM
Hitler is over all responsible for the Holocaust. He had the master plan, he found the supporters, and he gave the persuasive speeches. Hitler wanted the perfect race. I do believe that there are different levels of culpability, because yes Hitler had ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? brooke 5/3/2007 8:48 PM
I definatly agree with this because Hitler did start the master race, but i also wonder why no one stood up to him?? That confuses me because he had the same plot the whole time coming intodictator shipso i dont get why no one could stand up to him???
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Mariah Shevchuk 4/11/2007 6:35 PM
I think it is partly Hitler's fault, for coming up with the "Final Solution" to the "Jew Problem". But blame also lies in those who let it happen. Cries and pleads for help came, yet no one answered. No one question Hitler, or told him to stop. There ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? brooke 3/21/2007 10:05 PM
I believe that it was Hitlers fault mostly, but the soldiers did do all the dirty work in the killings. He did start all this and put the idea in peoples heads, but then again he didnt do most of the killing , his followers did.
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 4/22/2007 3:11 PM
I agree with u Brooke. The soldiers could have chosen not to follow the orders of Hitler. Although there would have been reprocussions, if they all banded together and decided to over throw him, he would have been over powered, and forced to change his ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? SML 3/28/2007 11:00 AM
The only thing that your missing is that the Jews are also at fault. I understand why you say that Hitler and his men are to blame for the whole thing. The Jews are to blame half-way because they allowed themselves to be captured. the Jews had plenty ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Rayvin 4/29/2007 5:55 PM
Uhh... ''The Nazis can take some of the blame, yes but the Jews have to take an equal amount of the blame.'' I think I'm gonna have to disagree with that statement. I can see where you're coming from when you say that the Jews can be blamed, but to say ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 4/22/2007 3:14 PM
I think they are to blame but not to such an extent. I believe that Hitler brainwashed them. I think that even when htey had the oppurtunities to run away and escape by that time it was way too late and the brainwashing process had already gotten too ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Brooke B 5/3/2007 8:57 PM
I definately never thought about hik brainwashing them but now that you said it i definatly can agree to that through all his propaganda ideas i can see where people belived he could be a good person, when he wasnt.
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? BACONMASTERsixfiftyfive 4/2/2007 7:41 AM
i find this ridiculous. How are the Jews to blame for any of this? while they may have in inadvertently given the Nazis a reason to hate them, the Jews were forced to obey. The Jews can hardly be blamed They are the victims here.
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Brooke 5/3/2007 9:12 PM
I don't really find this ridiculous because no one had ever said the Jews were to blame!!! We said that the SS were to blame because they did the dirty work while Hitler just commanded them I don't believe I said any thing about it being the Jews fault ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Rayvin 3/21/2007 7:09 PM
I think that Hitler is some what responsible, but i believe the SS officers and the Nazi officials are more to blame than Hitler himself. Hitler wasn't standing over their shoulders telling what and how to do things. He didn't stand there saying "no, ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Emma Fajardo 3/15/2007 10:09 PM
Well,I believe that up to some point it was everybody's fault. Of course, the degree of culpability differs a lot. For example, Adolf Hitler was the one in charge of spreading the hate for the Jews; for me, he would be the first to blame. The Nazis were ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? geo flores 3/15/2007 3:35 PM
i believe it is mostly the german soldier's fault, because they chose to be the followers of Hitler and they chose to break the laws when they did everything to the Jews. Hitler is also an accomplice because he led the whole war against the jews and ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Chunny 3/15/2007 2:18 AM
I believe that everybody mentionedis responsible for the Holocaust; although God is not technically responsible for it. You could argue that God is an accessory, but I'm gonna leave God out of this. The Nazis committed knowing acts, German citizens = ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Dino Velagic 3/13/2007 10:14 PM
The people responsible for what happened during the Holocaust are the Nazis. They were the ones who abused Jews and striped away their freedom. Hitler was the one who influenced it. I believe there are different levels of culpability. When someone kills ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? your father 2/26/2008 3:22 PM
You can be anything.I am so proud of you.I am glad that you are doing good. At the end , You can at least try to contact your real father.He was raising you for few years,.He deserve that much. Love Dad
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 3/14/2007 4:02 PM
I agree with only part of this statement. I think that watching a killing is not as bad killing but i think that if you see a killing and dont do anything to stop it then you are just as responsibe. Why would someone watch a killing and not do anything ...
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- well......i think...........^-^ sowhat 3/13/2007 4:59 PM
okay, so, before i state my opinion, i do not mean to discriminate, of make fun of anyone's practices/religions or to argue. i'm just here to speculate. so. before anyone comments on my little "section" my message: i'm not a hater. i'm just passing the ...
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- Re: well......i think...........^-^ Chunny 3/15/2007 1:47 AM
I never actually thought about it that way. I guess you could say that the Jews had it coming to them. You made some very good points on the situation. It's not just one persons fault for the Holocaust.
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- Re: well......i think...........^-^ Charissa 3/14/2007 7:02 PM
ok well first of all im glad you stated this is what you herd. I would normally call u insane for some of the things youve said in here but this is your opinion and this is what this is for. I see where your coming from when you say that its the Jews ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Jessie Pardo 3/13/2007 9:26 AM
Personally i am going to disagree with most of you, Sure yes Hitler is mostly to blame, but it is also the fault of the German people, and those of the Nazi party who were so easily brainwashed.After the first war they were looking for anyone else to ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 3/14/2007 7:14 PM
I totally agree with this!!! It takes more then one person to commit those inhame acts. I think everyone who was viewing the situation was to blame. I think that it was the ss officers fault for not stoping it! they didn't have to kill all those people. ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Inna Altshteyn 3/12/2007 6:39 PM
Ibelieve that there is a little of everyone to blame. Yes, Hitler is probably the one to blame the most, but German Citizens, Nazis, the SS they all chose to follow him. It was their decision to follow that path. And the only fault of Jewish people is ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 3/14/2007 7:32 PM
I can only go so far with agreeing to this. I agree with the fact that everyone played a part in what happened, but i think that could possibly have been the Jews fault as well.Not because of "what they did to jesus" or any of the previous things they ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? BACONMASTERsixfiftyfive 4/12/2007 8:38 AM
First of all, not all of the Jews stayed in the country, but they were the ones who got out first. You blame the Jews for not taking the warnings, but even now if someone died in your neighborhood you would probably say, "oh that's terrible" and forget ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? SML 3/13/2007 8:06 AM
I agree, GOD is just up there. Hitler can take some of the blame but not most of it. yes he wants the Jews dead, that is because he believes that the Jews stabbed Germany in the back. He also believed that he was doing the world good by killing Jews. ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? charissa 3/14/2007 7:41 PM
I TOTALLY AGREE! I mean why didnt they leave and get out when they had the chance??? I think they have to take some of the blame because even though they were "the victims" of the holcaust...some may question if they put them selves in that perdicament. ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? Ariel Moeser 3/12/2007 10:43 AM
OK, so I know that Hitler was really responsible for the Holocaust but did he have mens rea? I mean, he didn't see killing off the Jews how we do today. But honestly we didn't see slaves as a bad thing for a long time either The way I see this, he had ...
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- Re: Who is at Fault? Who is Responsible? pfivecb 3/11/2007 9:09 PM
I believe that Hitler is responisble for what happened during the Holocaust. He is the one who created a spacific "look" and he is the one who made the Jews appear to be evil people when in reality they were the smae as every one else with just a different ...
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