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Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday

Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday

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Posted by jheinzel on Jan 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM:

We have only just begun our reading of Elie Wiesel's Night.  So far, the Germans' occupation in Sighet seems relatively tame.  Reflect on what we have read OR what you know about the Nazi treatment of their victims during World War II and the reaction of the immediate and global community.   What similarities or differences can you articulate between these WWII events and America's current action in Iraq and/or the present genocide in Darfur. 

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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Emma 3/15/2007 10:36 PM
    Okay, well ever since this whole war started I've only heard one side of the story. And to me, that side seems to make A LOT of sense. Like i know that the US wanted to go in to "get rid" of the corruption and bad government. But it is also like SO obvious ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 4/9/2007 8:45 PM
      I agree with your definition of war, and withthe idea that we are fighting a war and Nazis were not. However, to say no one could revolt is negligent and almost disrespectful to those that did . The 5th "bloodiest" battle in history was the Warsaw Uprising ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Ariel 3/13/2007 11:14 PM
    OK why the heck is every one bashing Bush? Geeze it's like at least there was some good intention behind invading Iraq. OK OK so i thought about this alot... So we invaded Iraq because EXTREMELY unjust stuff was going on, uuhhhh hello like killing tons ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 4/9/2007 8:33 PM
      Some body should've been the UN. I'd like to point out that most people would agree that unjust regime was in power in Iraq. What do they have now? Is it better or worse? I can't say for myself. However, I'd like to refer you, and anyone else, to a series ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Rachel D. 4/9/2007 7:38 PM
      Okay I'm sorry but I really don't agree with this. Like sure, a lot of people were getting killed and a lot of unjust things were going on, but still, we don't have to go into some body's country and tell them how to run it. Furthermore, I mean, there ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Alenni Romero 3/13/2007 4:42 PM
    i agree with ariel and myself because there are very simialr things and are happening that relate with Iraq and the nazis.
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Alenni Romero 3/13/2007 4:31 PM
    basicaly whats going on in iraq is the same with what happened with the nazis, many are being killed civilains are being killed with out question as well as the nazis killing any jew.so even if we dont really make it seem that we are doing something ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday charissa 3/14/2007 8:35 PM
      I dont really agree with this. I dont think that we are necessarily killing people who are in our way...i think that the american soldiers are killing those who they feel are a threat. I also think its extremely easy to compare the nazis and germans ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 4/9/2007 9:01 PM
        Thank you for this. I agree with almost every point. However, I'd like to point out that the Jews weren't killed for their beliefs. The Nuremberg laws (passed by the Reichstag, and not by Hitler even though (through the Enabling Act) he could pass laws ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Ariel Moeser 3/13/2007 1:04 PM
    and people would interpret us i Iraq like the Germans invading the Jews. I'd be suspicious.
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Ariel 3/13/2007 10:28 AM
    There are alot of simularities to the german invasion and the Americans invading Iraq The Germans seeming to be nice, as did we. We on the other hand had a good intention, but I'm not too sure if it was wanted.
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Raissa 2/5/2007 4:11 PM
    I do think that the world is heading for another situation like the holucast, not America in general. It is alredy happening in parts of the world like sudan. I think that it is stupid that the goverment there would want to wipe out a whole race when ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday pfivecb 3/11/2007 7:43 PM
      I agree to this but only to an extent. I dont think that the Us should go into Sudan and try to help them because of the fact that they have been doing this for years and years. If the US army goes into their country i htink the only thing that is going ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 3/7/2007 8:31 PM
      The parallels you draw are vague. Also, you make inferences without significant evidence. I want to agree or disagree, but I find it hard. Lucky for you, I can still find enough to disagree with (I've been doing this to everyone all over these boards). ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday jheinzel 3/7/2007 8:39 PM
        This is a well-articulated response, complete with evidence. You've obviously been paying attention to global news. I encourage you to continue your exploration and research.
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Frank 2/6/2007 11:00 AM
      I agree with her. We are trying to educate parts of the world that needs it but theres alot of middle problems that are stopping it like the governments that control the country itself.
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday charissa 3/14/2007 8:48 PM
        I think that helping other countries is great! dont get me wrong!!! but i think that should only go so far! i think that we need to get our buts out of Iraq and let them settle this out by them selves. they have been fighting this war for thousands and ...
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        • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 4/14/2007 11:14 PM
          Helping other countries become educated is not at all similar to baby-sitting a civil war. If it were so simple as just letting those in Iraq settling it themselves, we probably would. However, this is not the case at all. You need to understand some ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Katherine Mann 1/30/2007 11:33 PM
    The American occupation in Iraq is somewhat similar to the Nazi regime. I personally believe that Bush himself is Americas first dictator, just as Hitler was for the Germans. When the subject turns towards our troop's occupation in Iraq that's another ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday BACONMASTERsixfiftyfive 2/5/2007 12:42 PM
      please excuse my harshness, but i believe that this is an ignorant statement in more ways than one. While i respect your opinion, i believe it to be totally false. Bush, however it may seem, is not using the war as his personal vendetta, and i have three ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 3/7/2007 9:09 PM
        Hey Travis! Anyways, I'm here to disagree. That's what I like to do. 1) I don't know Bush's real reason, as it seems he's got a flavor-of-the-week in excuses. However, I'd like a name to go along with "not the only one." I'll give you a name: Kofi Annan. ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday yawnc 2/17/2007 8:40 PM
        Your reasons of why this war has nothing to do with Bush's personal vendetta are not very convincing.There are statements from the president that are point to him seeking revenge. He actually said this when explainingwhy Saddam was so dangerous:''After ...
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        • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday BACONMASTERsixfiftyfive 2/26/2007 8:21 AM
          in my defense, i stated that her statement was ignorant. i did not say that she as a person was ignorant. never once in that whole response did i refer to her as ignorant, but her statement. i assure you that i did read what she "actually" wrote and ...
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          • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday charissa 3/14/2007 8:39 PM
            I honestly dont think this is the place to be accusing PEOPLE of being ignorant... i think that this is when we are expressing our THOUGHTS on the STATEMENTS that are being made on here NOT THE PEOPLE!! but anyways...i see both sides of the story but ...
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          • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday jheinzel 3/7/2007 8:35 PM
            I am pleased that each of you is expressing your opinions and taking the time to carefully read and respond to each other's comments. The fact that you disagree shows that you are critically thinking about the ideas behind the statements presented. I ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Nikole Blosser 1/31/2007 10:53 AM
      I would have to say that it is a bit drastic to say that Bush is the next Hitler.There are some things however that are going on in Iraq that shouldn't be. I also do not think that this is going to be another Holocaust. That I think is just a little ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday charissa 3/14/2007 8:43 PM
        i agree. It is extremely hard to compare Bush with Hitler. I definately dont think that another holocaust is going to occur because i think that we have learned from the past and i dont think that Bush would be that stupid (although i question this sometimes) ...
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Katherine Mann 1/31/2007 5:54 PM
        I never said Bush was the next Hitler. I just said they were alike policy wise.
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      • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday raissa 1/31/2007 10:58 AM
        I agree Bush isnt the next hitler, but today on this earth we do see things that might be the begining of another holocast like in Darfur.
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        • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 4/14/2007 11:28 PM
          I do give you a lot of credit for being up to date on the situation in Darfur, I completely disagree that it will ever escalate to the level of the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a well planned out process involving politics, propaganda, religion, race, ...
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  • Point of View. sowhat 1/29/2007 1:08 PM
    I believe that Bush is an idiot for going to war on terrorism; which I think is bull. So, I think that Bush is acting like Hitler because he is basically telling the Iraqis how to live and terrorizes them, as well as kill our soldiers in the process. ...
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    • Re: Point of View. pfivecb 3/11/2007 7:08 PM
      I completely agree with this. The US is already in debt and yet we keep spending money that we dont have. If they start to print more money lake they have in the past then they are depleting the value of the dollar. This will then cause our country to ...
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    • Re: Point of View. Hibble 3/7/2007 9:41 PM
      As much as I disagreed with Travis in another post, I'll have to disagree with you here at some points. "Bush is acting like Hitler because he is basically telling the Iraqis how to live and terrorizes them, as well as kill our soldiers in the process." Hitler ...
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    • Re: Point of View. jheinzel 3/7/2007 8:50 PM
      What a diverse set of opinions. Although the main topic was supposed to be a comparison/contrast of Hitler and the Holocaust to modern people and events, it seems to have turned into acommentary on President Bush's decisions regarding foreign policy ...
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    • Re: Point of View. Iliana Espinoza 2/19/2007 8:43 PM
      i agree because history is repeating itself. I also believe that bush is acting like Hitler because he is persuading our soldiers by telling them that its OK to go to Iraq and kill other people. Another thing is that he is acting like Hitler in the way ...
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    • Re: Point of View. SML 2/2/2007 6:49 PM
      I think that we have no right to even be in Iraq. We went there to investigate on nukes, there were no nukes and Bush knew about that. Even though he knew that there were no nukes he continued onward. Us being Iraq is pointless. The only things that ...
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      • Re: Point of View. Hibble 3/9/2007 10:04 PM
        I agree with a lot of this stuff! Of course, I'm still gonna argue. I like to do it, sorry. You say the war has been going on 1300 years and you think it'll only end whenone country is left? Before 1918, it was one country: the Ottoman Empire. I wouldn't ...
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      • Re: Point of View. PfiveCB 3/1/2007 7:18 PM
        I agree to everything you say here! i don't even think Bush knows why he's in Iraq anymore. He says that he's there to fight terrorism but all we're doing is losingmore soldiers, more mothers/fathers, brothers/sisters, aunts/uncles (etc.) He must think ...
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        • Re: Point of View. Hibble 3/9/2007 9:28 PM
          I thank you very much for making this an easy read. It seems theposters have forgotten this is all for English. Now, let me start and say that I agree with about half of what you're saying. However, you say some "huh" things here. You don't think we ...
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    • Re: Point of View. Nikole Blosser 1/31/2007 10:48 AM
      I would have to say that I completely disagree that Bush is an idiot for having us go to war on terrorism. I think that this is something that had to be delt with; however, I do think the way he is going about it in a round about way! This is something ...
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      • Re: Point of View. BACONMASTERsixfiftyfive 2/8/2007 4:16 PM
        I agree with what you have said here. I think that you are right in saying that 9/11 was something that we just couldn't let go. We needed to protect ourselves but making ourselves look strong in the face of disaster.
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Lena Olson 1/24/2007 6:50 PM
    I'm not sure how much relevancy this has to the discussion but I did want to make a point about the similarities between the U.S. and the Nazi's is that every act of war has started out in good intentions. Albeit, we don't see the Nazis as good intentioned ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Hibble 3/7/2007 9:52 PM
      I think that you are confusing two separate things the Nazis did. " I wouldn't compare ourselves too closely with the Nazis because we did not go into Iraq to perform an ethnic cleansing..." That's not the only or main purpose for German expansion during ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday jheinzel 3/7/2007 8:55 PM
      You've all made some very astute points here. Thank you, Lena, for bringing up this perspective. I'm sure you've all heard the expression, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." I wonder if you think this is applicable.
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Miss Emi 3/7/2007 7:35 PM
      I agree with Lena. Most situations begin with good intentions. People have an idea. Something revolutionary. And they try to put these grand ideas into motion. Something goes horribly wrong. Things get out of hand. And it's forgotten what the original ...
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    • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Nikole Blosser 2/2/2007 11:19 AM
      I would have to agree on this. I do think that we went into this war with good intentions but now it kind of seems that we have forgotten the main soul purpose of the whole thing. At first we had went in it to get Bin Laden; however, the only man that ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday (this is the correct post) Stan Hall 1/22/2007 9:34 PM
    The Nazi annexing of Hungary (and other surrounding countries) is very much like the U.S. wanting to spread Democracy in the middle east. The Nazis had a cause and wanted to control strategic places just like The U.S. in Iraq. Granted we don't slaughter ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Charissa Ballesteros 1/21/2007 8:56 PM
    The Nazis committed horrendous acts against their victims during WWII. Some of these actions include raiding their homes, placing them in concentration camps and isolating them from their families. The book Night written by Elie Wiesel portrays these ...
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  • Re: Occupation and Genocide Today and Yesterday Kayleigh Arevalo 1/21/2007 2:27 PM
    The German occupation in Sighet does appear tame to the Jews, but truly, it seems as if they're focusing on NOT noticing if theGerman's are acting suspicious. So far all the Germans have said to the Jews have "or die" tagged on at the end. Honestly, ...
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